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Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/12 02:15
I listened to Kyle, Gregg, Jr., Matt last night. Tried to use my Trackpass, but it was way behind most of the time. I did get to here Kyle when he clipped Gregg. Man he was so scared, he was saying sorry over and over on the radio. Biffle's spot just bad mouthed Kyle and called him stupid when Kyle reloaded by allowing Gregg to get by, and then passing him properly.
Jeff''s comments tell the story when he states his respect for Kyle and the Joe Gibbs team. For now, Joe Gibbs has his three teams working together as complete teams. It real pretty to watch. I was hoping that Tony would catch Kyle and get his lap back, just not enough time. I'll bet Sadler was smilin' real big and offer Tony shotgun in the Lear jet ride home.
David Regan, wow. Dave Blaney, wow, wow. These guys both were awesome last night. I have always had a soft spot for Dave, just like I do for some of the other underdogs. What a great race for these two.
I lost some respect for Michael last night when he was disrespectful to Kyle and racing him when he was down laps, and then, Michael let one driver passed with Kyle coming right in behind and took and poke at Kyle by jerking his wheel to the left....disappointed in you Michael. I know you are a close friend of Jr. but, not on the race track come on. Get back at Kyle off the track back at the trailer, better yet....don't get caught up in the hype.
Finally, I feel for Gregg who from the pole lead and held strong until his engine expired.
But I can't close out without shaking my head in amazement at the 23 year old Kyle Busch with his, lose lugs, penaties, and bashed up car, fought the Darlington and won, well sort of won, against the track that is.
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/12 12:40
FAN OF ALL wrote:
But I can't close out without shaking my head in amazement at the 23 year old Kyle Busch with his, lose lugs, penaties, and bashed up car, fought the Darlington and won, well sort of won, against the track that is.
I agree with this statement but not the one in bold...Im kind of confused. I dont like Busch but it was impressive in what he had to overcome and thats it.
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/12 15:17
very empressive and the darrel waltrip don't like kyle either you can tell the way he talks on the t.v...for every thing he dose he has some negative..thing to say..."he can't keep this up very much longer" lol whatever...
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/12 18:29
You can give kyle props all you want... when the truth is he is worse than his brother... i hate both the busch brothers with a passion... he did have a really good race on sat. night, but any other time he can't win without wrecking someone else... and look at last week... anytime your car gets loose, you don't crank the wheel to the right and hold it there... especially when another car is next to you... i just can't believe nascar is letting him get away with it all... i personally cant stand the kid..
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/12 23:19
diehardJRfan wrote:
FAN OF ALL wrote:
But I can't close out without shaking my head in amazement at the 23 year old Kyle Busch with his, lose lugs, penaties, and bashed up car, fought the Darlington and won, well sort of won, against the track that is.
I agree with this statement but not the one in bold...Im kind of confused. I dont like Busch but it was impressive in what he had to overcome and thats it.
i dont like busch much either but he sure can drive , he slapped the wall so many times and yet he still came back and won as far as being worse than kurt well now that debatable, when kurt was with roush he was winning more and when he switched teams it just seems like he hasnt done all that well as to where kyle has switched teams and done better then his brother, i dont like his driving style all the time either but hey he's winning and he's already made it clear he doesnt care if the fans like him or not he's just out there to win , reminds of dale sr dont it? he didnt care who he had to knock outta the way to win or if the fans liked him he was just out there to win and thats what made him a great driver
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/13 11:03
thats understandable but dont compare him to Sr..Until Kyle can win 7 titles then we can start comparing. His mentality might be the same as his and thats as far is it goes. But Sr. didnt do it every race like Kyle has to. The only time when Sr. did was when someone pissed him off or did something he didnt like. Then thats when you saw the Black #3 on your rear bumper.
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/14 07:18
This goes out to jrfan1230!!!!!!! You are, by far, one of the dumbest people on this site.Do you honestly know anything about racing. Do you pay any attention to detail or the way a car handles or are you one of the stupid rednecks that gets his rocks off by watching loud cars go fast? Watch time and time again, any wreck you want, when someone starts to get loose and their rear wheels come around you turn the wheels to try and correct the situation you're in. Go watch the movie CARS. That cartoon is probably in your intelligance range, they actually show you how it works. Kyle Busch can win without wrecking people too, or haven't you noticed that either? Maybe you're to hyped up from drinking your AMP Energy drink while combing your mullet in your cut off T-shirt and your nut hugging shorts that you forgot to watch. You're just pissed off because your driver has now gone, what, 73 races without a win? To bad for him, if you don't like it, root for someone else. Oh yeah, and next time you go to a race, when Kyle Busch wins, and wins convincingly, show a little class, throw a Budwieser can on the track, not a Busch can. The Busch can is just poetic irony but the Bud might be to expensive for your minimum wage paying job at McDonalds. Get a clue jrfan1230. You are a JR fan because your dad is a JR fan. You don't know a damn thing about racing. When you want to learn, leave me a messege.
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/14 07:32
I also wanted to let my friend diehard know that Kyle Busch is a lot like Sr on the race track.Sr did it ALL the time too, like the time he randomly spun Terry Labonte out at Bristol for the win, then came up with a lame exuse as to why he did it. And Kyle is young, he has a lot of time left in his career. He's probably on of the best drivers we've seen since, well, Gordon or Jimmie Johnson. Expect to see big things come from that kid, he's gonna suprise us.
P.S. FAN OF ALL! I want to give you props for being the good guy in all of this. It's good to see people give all these driver respect where it is due. Also, a shout out should go to Travis Kvapil for his stellar performance at the Lady In Black.
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/14 08:31
I know he is doing the samething but I just dont know about him. IMO for him to earn my respect I need to see him win a race without putting someone in the wall or spinning someone out to do it. If he raced clean in any of his 4 wins right now I will give him respect on move on. But, if he hasnt then I will give him credit when he does. I just didnt think I would see another driver that has Sr's mentality on the track.
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/14 09:26
First off, Kyle Busch is tied with Carl Edwards this season with 3 wins, not 4, but thats besides the fact. Second, How about Toyota's first victory in the Sprint Cup Series. That would be at Atlanta and the winner was none other than Kyle Busch. He did not wreckanybody that race. He was to busy trying to keep his car balanced and in control like everyone else that day because of the trie issue.How about Talladega, where he claimed victory for Toyota's first restrictor plate victory. Also, Bristol of last year. The first person to go to victory lane in the COT was, you guessed it, Kyle Busch. And once again, he didn't wreck anybody. How about his very first victory at California speedway? The youngest driver ever to win in the series that is now known as Sprint Cup. Again, he did not spin anybody or put anyone into the wall. Let us not forget this past weekend's victory at Darlington. Yes he did accidentally bump the Biff, but very respectfully let him back by so he could pass him like a TALENTED racer would. The point is, he does drive like Dale Sr, in some aspects. The Richmond accident with Dale Jr. was just that, an accident. Personally, I am starting to think most, if not ALL former Dale Sr. fans, now Dale jr fans, are hypocrites. Just like dale Sr. was a hypocrite. It's ok if he does it but not ok if it's done to hime. I hope that information is satisfactory for you, and has persuaded to think differently flooper? I bet with all these facts, jrfan1230 is now so excited he's making love to his hair gel bottle, yes the one he uses to keep his mullet looking awesome. Oh yeah, jrfan1230. obviously Kyle Busch is a grreat driver, just like his big brother Kurt. If the weren't, the wouldn't be on that track making more money finishing 43rd in one weekend than some lower tier workers(aka McDonald's employees) will make in a life time.
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/15 03:52
P.S. FAN OF ALL! I want to give you props for being the good guy in all of this. It's good to see people give all these driver respect where it is due. Also, a shout out should go to Travis Kvapil for his stellar performance at the Lady In Black.
Yes, after I posted, I smacked my forehead and silently asked Travis to forgive me. He as well deserves recognition. He is in the same group as Reagan and Blaney. I just missed him. While I watch and listen to the car radios, I was seriously intrigued by these guys who don't usually make it up to the front. But there they were. Where we the "stars"? Behind them. Cool. I can just image how excited Travis' gang was.
If you don't know what it is like to work with a group of guys, a set of mechanical equipment, within a challenging environment, you truly do not understand NASCAR, NATIONWIDE, ACRA, CRAFTSMAN, etc. Teamwork is the heart and soul of any team that is doing well. Luck play a part, as does skill, but the most successful are the teams that have fun while they are under extremely challenging situations.
I look forward to watching and listening to these "teams" whose front man continues to do well from week to week. Their patience and respect for each other only lead to more and more success. Kyle will not win every week, but from the way the three of them talk on the radio, that team will be in the running, pending a bad tire, blown engine, tangled up in some elses spin.
So go Travis go. I would be pretty cool to see Kyle's (and his team's) success and fortitude against the detractors to catch on with other teams. Teams that say, hey, they can do it, why can't we. Just because our face is not plastered all over NASCARS world does not mean slip into the lime light. How cool would it be to see David Reagan, Travis, Blainey, 1,2,3 with 12 laps to go with, take your own pick (STAR driver) hot in pursuit. Now that is a finish that would be exciting, I don't care which track.
Enough for know, dishes to was, and a daily report to sync into head office. Y'all fight nice now ya hear.
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/16 09:36
Thanks gdawg and I will give Kyle his credit and forget the bad things that I have said about him. I wanted the facts before I continued and thank you for giving that to me. With that being said, I think if Kyle can continue racing like he is He is going to end up having a great year. I hopew Kyle does well in the All-Star race and haves some fun along with Jr. Thanks for the info Capt. and I will forget all the bad things I have said about Kyle and root for him along with Jr.
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/18 02:30
Kyle portrays this bad boy image like he doesn't care what the fans think of him. Actually he is just a pretty boy who could use a new paint scheme for his car. They should just paint the pink M&M on his car. 
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/21 07:23
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Kyle portrays this bad boy image like he doesn't care what the fans think of him. Actually he is just a pretty boy who could use a new paint scheme for his car. They should just paint the pink M&M on his car. You rookies just don't learn from others mistakes, do you? When you taunt the Dawg, your gonna get bit... Kyle Busch, a pretty boy? Last time I check, though he is not a big guy, he is probably one of the baddest m/fer's on the track. His racing characteristics are that of one of the greatest drivers in NASCAR history, the late Dale Earnhardt Sr., yet you think he's no bad boy. Though I like Dale Jr, he is closer to ranks in the pretty boy category. The poster boy of NASCAR, right up there with Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson. People think he can do no wrong. Guess what? They can. The only reason you don't like Kyle Busch is because he ACCIDENTALLY crashed Jr and Rowdy is winning races and Jr isn't. Get over it you over grown baby. Go find your mommy and have her change your diaper so you're not so fussy. Jr will get his win eventually, so just chill out and enjoy the racing, your driver ain't perfect either.
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/22 07:12
Granted I was bashing Kyle too but I realized what gdawg told me and thought about this. Like he has been saying he is doing the exact same thing Sr. was doing. Why cant you guys realize that?? Get off of your period and realize what Kyle is doing..Who else said the only thing he cared about was winning?? Ummm Sr. said that too. So, give the kid some credit for what he is doing. Jr will get his win but it might take him some time. Just think about what you guys are saying and just think a little bit.
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/22 23:27
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Granted I was bashing Kyle too but I realized what gdawg told me and thought about this. Like he has been saying he is doing the exact same thing Sr. was doing. Why cant you guys realize that?? Get off of your period and realize what Kyle is doing..Who else said the only thing he cared about was winning?? Ummm Sr. said that too. So, give the kid some credit for what he is doing. Jr will get his win but it might take him some time. Just think about what you guys are saying and just think a little bit.
DAMN, get off gdawg's nuts why don't you!
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/22 23:30
gdawg1 wrote:
#88_all_the_way! wrote:
Kyle portrays this bad boy image like he doesn't care what the fans think of him. Actually he is just a pretty boy who could use a new paint scheme for his car. They should just paint the pink M&M on his car. You rookies just don't learn from others mistakes, do you? When you taunt the Dawg, your gonna get bit... Kyle Busch, a pretty boy? Last time I check, though he is not a big guy, he is probably one of the baddest m/fer's on the track. His racing characteristics are that of one of the greatest drivers in NASCAR history, the late Dale Earnhardt Sr., yet you think he's no bad boy. Though I like Dale Jr, he is closer to ranks in the pretty boy category. The poster boy of NASCAR, right up there with Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson. People think he can do no wrong. Guess what? They can. The only reason you don't like Kyle Busch is because he ACCIDENTALLY crashed Jr and Rowdy is winning races and Jr isn't. Get over it you over grown baby. Go find your mommy and have her change your diaper so you're not so fussy. Jr will get his win eventually, so just chill out and enjoy the racing, your driver ain't perfect either.
DAMN you sure do look like a pretty boy in that avatar picture of yours! I suppose you're part of the Kyle Busch fan club, PRETTY BOY
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/23 04:44
Actaully, i'm not a fan of anyone in particular, but the Busch brothers have garnered some of my attention. You you want to talk S#!t in here, you better choose your battles wisely. I'm the last person you want to get into an argument with here. As for me being a pretty boy. Well, I do like to look good but I promise you, I'm one of the badest people you'll meet, in person, over the phone, or on the net. I'm sure if you ask, people will agree that I'm not usually too nice, especially if you push my buttons.
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/23 08:28
#88_all_the_way! wrote:
diehardJRfan wrote:
Granted I was bashing Kyle too but I realized what gdawg told me and thought about this. Like he has been saying he is doing the exact same thing Sr. was doing. Why cant you guys realize that?? Get off of your period and realize what Kyle is doing..Who else said the only thing he cared about was winning?? Ummm Sr. said that too. So, give the kid some credit for what he is doing. Jr will get his win but it might take him some time. Just think about what you guys are saying and just think a little bit.
DAMN, get off gdawg's nuts why don't you!<br><br>Post edited by: #88_all_the_way!, at: 2008/05/22 23:31
Ok so what is wrong with thanking him for the info?? Keep talking trash in here man and see what happens. If you want to start something go right ahead and we will see who ends up on top and see who goes running to mommie for their fooler..If you want to keep acting like what you are doing right now, you wont be around for long so if you want to start something here cuz it will be my pleasure to finish it.
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/24 05:39
Ladies,Ladies,can't you all get along.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/24 08:00
Will someone please tell this rookie who is still sucking on a fooler to shut his mouth.
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/24 21:21
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Will someone please tell this rookie who is still sucking on a fooler to shut his mouth.Looks like you just did turd.
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/25 08:22
I dont mean to change the topic but I have been thinking about this one.. Do you guys think that the drivers like to interact with the fans?? Gdawg brought to my attn. that he saw Jr sign a fans t-shirt and throw it. Didnt give it back to the fan but threw it. That is why I am asking the question..What do you guys and ladies think.
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/25 14:03
It all depends on the driver. The old school drivers weren't like that, they appreciated the fans. Some of these younger drivers now a days are selfish and don't care. They ae in it for one thing, Money. NASCAR is starting to look more and more like professional basketball or football. Thats why I actually almost enjoy watching the Nationwide series or Craftsman Truck series more, especially the truck series. Those are young guys fighting to be recognized and get in the upper series and then theres the "legends" or veterans who don't want to be in the spot light as much and they are there because they love racing. All in all, the truck series is better racing anyways, I mean, look at the finish in the truck series Satruday afternoon at Mansfield, it was spectacular.
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/25 18:48
Can't really say cause unless you buy a expensive garage pass you don't really get a chance to see to many drivers when they come to Texas.There may be 1 or 2 drivers doing 1 or 2 appearances so we don't see them much.
I did see Stone Cold Steve Austin when I went to Vegas and he treats his fans good.
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/26 06:51
The older I have gotten, the more I understand where my pay cheque comes from. Guys like Mark, Labonte, Jeff Burton...they understand that without the fan, there is no racing on the weekend. I really like what Humpy said today to all the fans. Its the fans that make NASCAR what it is. The average fan cannot go in and run NASCAR, but NASCAR is very aware that it better pay attention to what the fans like and want. Generally, I believe they do understand "who" the customer is. As for the drivers, they are just humans like you and I, guys who love to race and win. Unfortunately, racing stock cars has become one of the favorite sports of millions of people. With that popularity, you could sign hats and whatever until you dropped dead or develop permanent carpal tunnel and there would still be 1000's of fans wanting a piece of you. I truly is a diffucult job to keep the drivers in close touch with the fans... try as they may, sometimes it will work and there will be great PR and other times not. The commercial with the guy on the lawn chair right above the racing cars below...I know in NASCARS fanatsy world, they would love to put every fan that close to the action. Happy fans means lots of $$$ and even more... great public relations.
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/26 10:34
I wish everything didnt have to revolve around money. Its like when you try and by something from someone and they say how much are you going to give me? ANd its always the drivers PR man that makes the cash. They are the ones who set up interviews and autograpgh signings, etc. Its just frustrating knowing that when we get an autograph from our favorite driver that his PR man is making money off of this. I enjoy watching the truck series too for the same reasons as Capt.
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/26 20:40
Ok, if anybody disagrees with me, you obvisously don't know NASCAR. Kyle busch deserves mad props for Sunday nights race. Seriously, to have the problems he had, got sent to the end of the longest line on the restart, made some of the passes he did to get the lead back and then to finish third only because nobody could beat Kahne. Kyle Busch is the real deal! He ain't no pretty boy like #88_all_the_way said. He may be a bad boy but he had probably on of the best runs out of any driver of the night without crashing anybody like diehard said before i corrected him. You don't like the Busch brothers, thats fine. But don't take away from their brilliance on the track.
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/26 23:17
Like that cliip that DW commented on where Kyle took the inside, held on just below the white line, completed the pass over the white line and did not endanger the car right beside him. That was a class act of great driving. No hint of trying to "use" the guy to hold the low line.
Go Kasey go. Awesome to see him and the Gillette/Everham team come to life. Good guys deserve some of the lime light. Elliot finishing 9th wooh hoo. An exciting night for those boys.
I still missed what happen to Tony. Did he hit the wall or have a tire go down?
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/27 01:50
He had a tire go away from him on the last lap. So did Hamlin and Edwards ran out of gas. You are right, the pass below the white line was spectacular. I would have to say that would be ranked p there with the pass in the grass, the kid was damn near sideways and still kept it off of marlin.
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/27 04:00
FAN OF ALL wrote:
Like that cliip that DW commented on where Kyle took the inside, held on just below the white line, completed the pass over the white line and did not endanger the car right beside him. That was a class act of great driving. No hint of trying to "use" the guy to hold the low line.
Then vwhy didn't he drive like that a couple weeks ago instead of "using" Jr's car to hold the low line if he's such a class act and a great driver.
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/27 04:31
Oh moonpie, i hoped I wouldn't have had to do this but..... When his tail end let loose at richmond and it was coming arou nd to the right what does any racer do? Thats right, turn the wheel to try and save it.They were both racing as hard as possible and Jr got in a mess, it's not like Rowdy won the race anyways. It was an accident, get over it, just like everybody else had to.
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/27 04:33
very nice run by junior sunday night , too bad about the tire incident or he might have got his first win this year, also another disappointing night for the 48 team i hated the fact that jimmie lost a cylinder but ah well there are other races ahead for the team and possibly a shot at winning, as far as that 3rd championship goes for the 48 team i dont see it happening this year unless jimmie and the team can manage some more wins, top 5's and 10's, for now kyle's got the championship looking like his but im not counting out the 48 or the 88 , and a big ol congrats to kasey kahne , first the all star and then the 600, gonna be interesting to see if he can win again on october 11th , and also a very bad night for vickers i hated to see him hit the wall when he was dominating but ah well he's got another shot just like kasey when oct 11th comes around, i gotta admit though that was probaly the highest i've seen a tire bounce in a race , just glad no one was hurt even though an ambulance was closeby just in case, anyways later all , hope you all enjoyed your memorial day
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/27 06:37
MIKE HONCHO wrote:
Then vwhy didn't he drive like that a couple weeks ago instead of "using" Jr's car to hold the low line if he's such a class act and a great driver.
Mike, I'm not saying Kyle is a class act, I am saying that the pass by that driver, was a class act of driving. All drivers fall into the lack of class now and then. The most common is, lack of abiltiy. This hurts so many and takes out those who should be still racing and keeping the competition tight right till the end. Oh how I would love to see three or four cars within 0.01 of a second of each other coming out of turn 4 every week. Unfortunately, some of the teams that can give a driver the car to do that and be that competitive, are taken out by the guys who "lack class" from time to time and loose control, too agressive....or whatever. But, the is part of the game and what makes this style of racing the very best entertainment in the world.
Here in Canada hockey is #1, but not compared to the 42 + teams that try and win every week. Constant entertainment; TV only captures a small part of a huge, interesting story.
Post edited by: FAN OF ALL, at: 2008/05/27 06:41
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/05/27 08:32
Kyle had a great run and he is making a believer out of me that he is legit. To come from the back of the pack and still finish 3rd??? And knowing that he was not invovled in any incidents, Im starting to pull for the kid. Not saying he will be my favorite driver but I will root for him along with Jr.
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/08/26 22:31
I read on http://www.gotfanatics.com that Kyle is a Retiring after this season.
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/09/10 21:48
i really hope kyle wins the cup because I think his work ethic and determination to get better is great......i saw him in fontana,CA in Feb win both the truck series and NASCAR series a day after each other
Also wanted to let you know that truck driver Mark Engelhard just won $10,000 for his weekly best at http://www.paythefan.com/ptf_access/racing_index_chase1.asp. The next $10K goes out in 6 days. The money is anyone’s and YOUR odds are awesome.
-Drew, PTF
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/09/15 00:38
this was not a very good day for lyle at all, first he had problems early on then to make matters worse he a bad finish and he lost the points lead and now sits currently in 8th, maybe next week will be better for the 18 team
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FAN OF ALL
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Re:Kyle will not give up. - 2008/09/15 00:54
Kyle did well considering the sway arm on was broken - Lap 20. Steve needed to do too much work when the track was only 1.058 miles in length. The story only went downward from there. The radio was real quiet. But towards the end, they all cheered up a little when they found themselves moving from 10th in the Chase back up to 8th. Every little helps.
Wrong time of the year to have a piece of your equipment fall apart. Just shows how very hard it is to KNOW that you are ready to compete. Stuff breaks...reminds of Kurt's wheel that fell off....stuff happens no matter how prepared you think you are.
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