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99 has "issues" in post race inspection - 2008/03/03 07:56
NASCAR finds 'issue' with 99 in post-race inspection
By Joe Menzer, NASCAR.COM
March 2, 2008
11:19 PM EST
type size: + -LAS VEGAS -- Carl Edwards' Sprint Cup victory in the UAW-Dodge 400 at Las Vegas Motor Speedway will stand, but he's likely to lose some of the driver and owner points he earned after NASCAR officials found "an issue" with his No. 99 Ford in post-race inspection late Sunday
NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston said Edwards' car did not fail post-race inspection. But inspectors did find something amiss.
"We had an issue in post-race inspection with the 99. The lid on the oil reservoir encasement, or the oil tank box, was off," Poston said. "So we're going to take the 99 back to the [NASCAR] Research and Development Center in Concord, N.C., and if there are any actions that need to be taken, those will be taken and announced next week."
Earlier this season at Daytona International Speedway, NASCAR officials discovered five Nationwide Series cars to have a similar problem during post-race inspection following their season-opening race. Each of the teams eventually were docked 25 driver and 25 owner points.
Poston said the situation with Edwards' car was not quite the same.
"It was similar. In those cases, the lids were loose," Poston said. "The lid on the 99 was off."
Edwards has won the past two Sprint Cup races. His victory Sunday vaulted him and the No. 99 car to the top of the driver and owner point standings. He currently has 491 driver points and is 21 ahead of Kyle Busch, who is in second with 470.
Bob Osborne, Edwards' crew chief, said Sunday night that he would wait until after NASCAR is able to take a closer look at the car at the R&D Center before making any comments.
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Re:99 has "issues" in post race inspection - 2008/03/03 12:18
Awwwwwwww, that sucks...Teams should know by now with these new cars that you are not going to get away with anything. Plus you(the driver), owner, and crew chief are going to get hit with penalties. I just cant believe some teams are still trying to get away with some of this stuff when they should know that they will get caught..
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Re:99 has "issues" in post race inspection - 2008/03/03 19:24
seeing that it is a Roush car you know they will be trying to blame somebody else.
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Re:99 has "issues" in post race inspection - 2008/03/04 01:44
Tarnished victory?
By Jay Hart, Yahoo! Sports
LAS VEGAS – After the debacle last weekend in California, NASCAR needed a weekend without stepping in it. And for most of Sunday afternoon NASCAR didn't.
The weather cooperated, the crowd bulged inside Las Vegas Motor Speedway for the UAW-Dodge 400 and Dale Earnhardt Jr. challenged for the win.
But then came the Carl Edwards tire incident, which forced NASCAR into making one of its judgment calls. That was followed by the Carl Edwards oil lid incident, which will force it to make another call Tuesday.
If only Dale Jr. had won, things would be so much easier. But he didn't. Edwards did, and now NASCAR is left to explain a few things.
First, the oil cooler lid incident.
In postrace inspection, NASCAR found the lid in Edwards' oil cooler "off." That's how it was explained. Off.
That means Edwards could have had an advantage. No oil cooler lid means more air, which could mean more speed.
There is a precedent for this. Five cars were found with the same violation following the Nationwide race at Daytona. Each received a 25-point penalty and the respective crew chiefs were suspended for six races and put on probation for the remainder of the season.
The difference here is none of those five cars won the race. Edwards did.
So when NASCAR takes Edwards' car back to its R&D center in North Carolina, what will come of it?
This is where it gets tough for NASCAR.
If it finds something wrong, what will it do?
Well, we know the answer to this question: NASCAR will dock Edwards points, probably 100, suspend his crew chief and levy a fine.
The problem is, any penalty hints that there was some wrongdoing on the part of Edwards' crew. If that's the case, why not yank the win away from him?
Rules are rules, after all, and if you're going to penalize cheating off the track, they need to treat cheating on the track even harsher.
Which brings us to the tire incident.
Fifty-two laps before taking the checkered flag, Edwards came onto pit road to get four fresh tires. As he left his pit stall, one of his old tires wandered across the infield at Las Vegas Motor Speedway, having somehow gotten loose.
Per NASCAR rules, Edwards could have been issued a penalty. But NASCAR determined the errant tire wasn't the fault of Edwards' crew but rather an erroneous cameraman who got in their way.
Instead of penalizing Edwards a lap, NASCAR allowed him to maintain his third-place position – a decision that changed the entire complexion of the race.
NASCAR can – and did – explain away its decision because it has written its rulebook in a fashion that leaves every rule in it open to its own judgment. Case in point, the rules regarding tire changes:
"If in the judgment of NASCAR officials a team made every effort to control a tire and circumstances beyond their control cause the tire to travel across the pit road, a lap or time penalty may not be assessed."
Eleven days ago, NASCAR penalized Robby Gordon 100 points for an unapproved nose on his car. Before NASCAR handed down the penalty, Gordon pled his case, saying he didn't know the nose was an unapproved version, that the wrong part came from the manufacturer and that it had nearly an identical inventory number as the approved nose.
"We're going to jail for a crime we didn't commit," Gordon said.
NASCAR's response: Tough luck.
"Rules are rules," NASCAR's Sprint Cup competition director John Darby said when I rehashed Gordon's explanation to him.
When Darby told me this, I understood, because even though I'm certain Gordon wasn't trying to skirt the law, NASCAR would be opening up a Pandora's box once it allowed one person to play dumb.
But let's spin this forward. From the rule above, take out the word 'tire' and replace it with words befitting Gordon's situation and here's what you get:
"If in the judgment of NASCAR officials a team made every effort to use the correct nose and circumstances beyond their control cause them to use the wrong nose, a penalty may not be assessed."
Why was Edwards allowed to skate but not Gordon?
"You're assuming it was inadvertent," NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston said of Gordon's explanation for the unapproved nose.
It's a valid point but one that paints NASCAR into a corner. Because later this week, if it ends up penalizing Edwards for the oil cooler lid incident, the only way NASCAR can legitimately explain not taking away the win is to assume its being off "was inadvertent."
Oh, they were so close to it all being good. If only Junior had won.
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Re:99 has "issues" in post race inspection - 2008/03/04 12:05
Wow...This is all I can really say at this point..
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Re:99 has "issues" in post race inspection - 2008/03/05 08:19
Simply put, NASCAR has got to get hteir s#!% together. Re-write the rule book, take away as many "grey" area's as possible and be consistent with their calls. Hell, I'll sit down with them, go over the rules, re-write them and assess point deductions and fines according to the severity of the infraction. I was certainly on Gordon's side with the nose incident. It was inadvertant, as was Edwards' tire incident. Apparently it's not the type of incident in NASCAR that determines your penalty, it's the drivers name. Edwards, big name, high marketing, low penalty for "minor" infraction. Robby Gordon, lower standard name, lower marketing quality, higher penalty for minor infraction. It's just one big popularity contest...Oh, how I miss all the high school drama...
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Re:99 has "issues" in post race inspection - 2008/03/05 11:44
Its ridiculous and you are right capt. What will really make people fly off the handle is if Nascar does not penalize Edwards and his team. If you watch the video of Edwards' second tire incident the tire man does not make any attempt that I say for him to get the tire. Granted the camerman was in the way but his tire man made no attempt to go after it IMO. Something has to be done with the rules period.
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Re:99 has "issues" in post race inspection - 2008/03/05 18:47
yea if he put as much effort into getting that tire as he put into that hissey fit he would have had that tire.
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Re:99 has "issues" in post race inspection - 2008/03/06 01:13
UPDATE 3: NASCAR has issued penalties and fines to the #99 team that competes in the Sprint Cup Series, as a result of rule infractions found last Sunday at Las Vegas Motor Speedway. The #99 car driven by Carl Edwards was found to be in violation of Sections 12-4-A (actions detrimental to stock car racing); 12-4-Q (car, car parts, components and/or equipment used do not conform to NASCAR rules); and 20-2.1J (any device or duct work that permits air to pass from one area of the interior of the car to another, or to the outside of the car, will not be permitted. This includes, but is not limited to, the inside of the car to the trunk area, or the floors, firewalls, crush panels and wheel wells passing air into or out of the car) of the 2008 NASCAR rule book. The violations were found during post-race inspection at Las Vegas Motor Speedway on March 2. As a result, Edwards and car owner Jack Roush have been penalized 100 championship driver and 100 championship owner points, respectively. In the event the #99 team qualifies for the Chase for the NASCAR Sprint Cup, the team will not receive the 10 bonus points for the UAW-Dodge 400 victory used for determining the Chase seeding order. Crew chief Bob Osborne has been fined $100,000, suspended from the next six Sprint Cup Series events, suspended from NASCAR until April 30 and placed on probation until Dec. 31.(NASCAR PR), Expect Roush Fenway Racing to appeal the penalties. The 100 pt deduction takes Edwards from leading the Drivers Points Standings to 7th, 79 pts out of 1st and #18-Kyle Busch retakes the points standings by 20 over #12-Ryan Newman.(3-5-2008) Comment here
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Re:99 has "issues" in post race inspection - 2008/03/07 07:44
Good. He deserves every point..
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Re:99 has "issues" in post race inspection - 2008/03/13 01:39
99 Roush Fenway Racing team will not appeal: Roush Fenway Racing announced today that it will not appeal the penalties imposed by NASCAR following its post-race inspection of the #99 car at Las Vegas. “We have conducted a thorough internal investigation and have found no evidence whatsoever that anyone intended for the bolt/nut fastener to fail to secure the lid for the entire race,” said Jack Roush, team owner. “We have subsequently added protective measures to insure that the lid will remain fastened even if a failure of this type should again occur.” Geoff Smith, president of Roush Fenway Racing said, “We realize in the NASCAR system of penalty administration that simple negligence, by itself, is never sufficient grounds to overturn or reduce a penalty. Consequently, no appeal will be made of the penalties assessed by NASCAR.”(Roush Fenway Racing PR)(3-12-2008)
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Re:99 has "issues" in post race inspection - 2008/03/13 08:37
Nice of you to honor us with that post twice moonpie
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Re:99 has "issues" in post race inspection - 2008/03/13 18:10
just wanted to make sure you seen it
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Re:99 has "issues" in post race inspection - 2008/03/14 06:16
I know I have glasses but I'm not blind.
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Re:99 has "issues" in post race inspection - 2008/03/14 06:42
Are you trying to say that we are blind Honcho or what!!!!!
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Re:99 has "issues" in post race inspection - 2008/03/14 08:26
I think he is. Starting s!#@ like always....lol
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Re:99 has "issues" in post race inspection - 2008/03/14 08:37
I think he is!!!! i think he is calling us blind!!!
Post edited by: diehardJRfan, at: 2008/03/14 08:37
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Re:99 has "issues" in post race inspection - 2008/03/15 02:32
Who's this
Yep you guessed it Capt. and Flooper
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Re:99 has "issues" in post race inspection - 2008/03/15 06:46
HAHAHA!!!! Good one but that hurts a little!!!!!!
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Re:99 has "issues" in post race inspection - 2008/03/15 08:22
Awwww moonpie...You made flooper butt hurt....
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Re:99 has "issues" in post race inspection - 2008/03/15 08:32
Yea Im but hurt.  !!!!!! j/k.. I still cant believe he called me blind..
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Re:99 has "issues" in post race inspection - 2008/03/15 08:42
technically, you spelled butt wrong....lol
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Re:99 has "issues" in post race inspection - 2008/03/15 08:44
technically you are a dork....HAHAHAHA
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Re:99 has "issues" in post race inspection - 2008/03/15 08:47
ouch, oh that hurts. You just called me stupid, inept, ignorant. Or did you mean dork as in the second meaning, penis. You know, the one you failed to mention.
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Re:99 has "issues" in post race inspection - 2008/03/15 09:18
you are dork numer 1.
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Re:99 has "issues" in post race inspection - 2008/03/15 10:21
Thanks, dork #1 and #2
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Re:99 has "issues" in post race inspection - 2008/03/15 11:38
are u serious!!!! Dork #2??? 
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